2018 Agendas and Minutes

KILMARONOCK COMMUNITY COUNCIL DRAFT MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING ON 5 MARCH 2018 
            Gavin MacLellan (Chair)             All correspondence to Secretary:  Neil MacGregor Ben View Gartocharn G83 8RX             Email: KilmaronockCC@gmail.com 

Present

• Gavin MacLellan (GM)
• Neil MacGregor (NM)
• Ivan Mavor (IM)
• Sarah Guy (SG)
• David Scott-Park (DSP)
• Councillor Sally Page (SP)
• Suzanne Greer WDC

Apologies

• Andy Sinnot (AS), Jim Morrison (JM) via email
• Some 14 members of the community were also in attendance

Declaration of Interest

• GM asked the assembled company if anyone wished to make a declaration of interest in any of the matters on the agenda but no declarations were made.

Minutes of regular meeting on 8 January 2018 

• Proposed by DSP and seconded by GM.  GM then introduced Suzanne Greer from WDC who has taken over liaison duties from Kate Coleman who has retired from that post.  Suzanne gave a presentation on her duties and assured the members of the community of the assistance WDC would provide.

Matters arising and associated issues

• NM advised that he had contacted WDC Roads about path insurance following the adoption of the path from the pedestrian crossing to Ross Loan and was advised that KCC no longer requires to pay the insurance. 

Treasurers report

• AS is presently offshore but GM advised that AS had left a note of the current financial standings as: £749.70 in the Treasurers Account and £818.21 in the Benevolent Fund.  DSP queried the existence of 2 accounts.  GM responded that the Treasurers Account was similar to a current account and was used to pay for expenses such as hall hire whereas the Benevolent Account was used for distribution to projects and had recently paid for new defibrillator pads.  GM also advised that AS had attended the meeting on Community Funding and had prepared a report to fellow councillors.  Concern was raised about the present method of funding perhaps being more biased towards the larger community councils whereas in the past each CC was allocated a set amount. Suzanne replied that the funding may not continue in its present format.

Planning matters
NM read out the following applications/decisions:

• RSPB application 2017/0366/DET which was discussed at the last meeting had been approved by LLTNP on 8 February. Building warrants in respect of internal alterations at Gartlea Farm and the demolition of a building and a replacement to be erected at Gallangad Farm had been issued. 
• There followed considerable discussion on the outline planning permission which had been granted to Mr Malabar for the erection of 3 holiday units at Claddochside Cottage following Mr Malabar's correspondence to NM requesting that the community comment on the application.  Several points were made in relation to the application including disturbance to wildlife and their habitats, increased volume of traffic and noise but the main issue here was that due process had not been followed as only Sheila Cronin had received a neighbour letter from the applicant. Mr Malabar had maintained that as he was unaware of the owners of neighbouring land he had not sent out notifications.  This was countered by Mr and Mrs Page at Claddoch who had had communication with Mr Malabar and had invited him to Claddoch on his recent visit from Australia.  Mr M failed to  respond to the invitation.    The feeling of the community was that the decision to grant planning permission ought to be revisited and that the application ought not to have been left to a delegated officer but should have been referred to committee for a decision.   GM advised that, under the circumstances, KCC will write to LLTNP Planning to have the decision to grant planning permission revisited and that hopefully, LLTNP will take a pragmatic view and enter into discussion with KCC and residents.

Kilmaronock Community Trust 

• Sheila Cronin advised that the KCT AGM was held on 21 February although the election of office bearers will be held at a later date. A presentation to the meeting was given by RSPB on future developments for the site at the Wards.  GM reported that AS had produced a Proposal Paper for pavement repairs and upgrade for the footpath alongside the A811 as part of the CAP. A copy of the Paper is available on request and the project will resume in April.   The general consensus was that the footpath requires to be maintained and that the narrow section near Ashfield Farm requires remedial work.   Willie Nisbet pointed out that it is a Core Path and should have precedence for assistance from LLTNP.

NP & CP Report 

• There were considerable misgivings about the condition of the Aber Path and the condition of the decking on the bridge near the Aber end of the path.  The path was constructed in the 1990s under a grant from SNH. There is no obligation contractual or otherwise on any party to maintain or  replace the structures but LLTNP have accepted this under their responsibility for maintaining public access.  This was confirmed by Willie Nisbet, LLTNP representative.   NM was tasked with writing to Kenny Auld at LLTNP about the maintenance of the path and bridge albeit the community was aware of the difficulties with the present owner of the field.    NM reported that he had attended a recent Community Council Forum meeting at Riverside Parish Church Hall, Dumbarton.  Most of the discussion was centred around matters in Clydebank and the planning application to have Dumbarton FC's ground moved to Young’s Farm, this application being subject to some opposition. Delegates expressed their pleasure at having KCC represented at the meetings.

West Dunbartonshire Council

• NM advised that he and IM had attended the Forum on the WDC Budget at the Concord Centre in Dumbarton where proposals to cut the budget in various areas had been discussed.  The meeting had been a lively one with delegates commenting on which proposals could be implemented.  SP advised that following the meeting many of the comments made at the meeting had been taken on board by WDC.    SP also advised that £1.5m had been allocated to improve the A811.  There will be a photoshoot at the Buchlyvie lay by this Friday in an attempt to have the A811 upgraded to trunk road status.  Stirling councillors are very keen to have the road upgraded.  There was general support for SP to lobby for the A811 to be upgraded.  NM advised that along with SP and fellow residents Ian Sweetland and Paul Lindsay had attended a recent meeting at WDC Roads, Garshake in an effort to have the many defects on the road surface remedied. Sadly poor weather has temporarily impeded further progress by WDC Roads.

Correspondence 

• NM intimated that he had received correspondence from Scottish Water who are having a 6 month consultation with communities to help shape water and waste services for the next 25 years.  Response is by online survey.  It was suggested that Facebook be used to inform residents.    GM advised that he had received an email on 5 March from Matt Buckland who has taken on board the litter and fly tipping problem on Scottish Water land at the entrance to Blairlinnans. This was appreciated since there had been failings to resolve by both SW and LLTNP in the past. Matt is considering the use of signs and video cameras in an attempt to control the problem.  GM also indicated that he will contact LLTNP to ascertain if they will assist here.

AOB 

• GM advised that he had received a copy of Social Media Policy which he will circulate.   GM invited interest litter picking along the A811 on Sunday mornings before the grass grows over the litter. Interested parties to contact GM.  There being no further matters, the meeting was closed with GM thanking all for attending. 

Next Meeting

• 21 May 2018    Also AGM on that date

Ordinary Meeting of KCC
21st May 2018 
Kilmaronock Millenium Hall 

1. 
   Sederunt Attendees: 7 community council members. 2 guests from Police Scotland, Gordon Watson, CEO of Loch Lomond and Trossachs National Park, Maurice Corry, MSP West of Scotland, Councillor Sally Page, WDC plus 13 members of the local community
2. Apologies Jackie Baillie MSP is away in London
3. Declaration of interest None
4. Minutes of regular meeting on 5 March 2018 Proposed as accurate by Neil MacGregor seconded by Gavin MacLellan
5. Matters Arising and Associated issues   At the previous meeting, KCC were asked to write to NP on behalf of the residents neighbouring the proposed development of holiday cottages at Claddochside Cottage since only 2 “neighbours” had received notification. The chairman (GM) highlighted the reply from LLTNP which he had also circulated to those concerned. A discussion ensued around the effectiveness of the current neighbour notification system with CEO of LLTNP taking part. In conclusion the correct protocol was followed by the NP so no further action can be taken at this stage. The next stage of detailed planning application will present a new opportunity for neighbours to comment.  A discussion on the efficacy of the present neighbour notification procedure was held over to later in the meeting. The secretary (NM) also commented that he had written to and response from NP regarding the condition of sections of the Aber Path. Members from the floor confirmed that temporary repair works had been put in place.
6. Treasurers Report Following on from the more detailed report at the preceding AGM the accounts show : KCC Main Account balance : £871.28 KCC Benevolent Fund balance : £768.21 The coming term of office shall allow KCC to review the protocol  for granting funds from the Benevolent Fund to worthy causes as presently the rules are somewhat out-dated. There are opportunities arising from 100th anniversary of the end of The Great War as well as local needs e.g. Community Garden. Gordon Watson mentioned a fund of £80,000 for youth projects in the park Maurice Corry highlighted funds available from MOD (£1m) The treasurer (AS) noted that this info may also be of value to KCT with whom we will be meeting on Wed 23rd May.
7. Police Scotland Police Scotland (PS) officers PC Campbell and Liddell updated the members with the recent crime statistics for the parish. Since the previous meeting on 5th March there were 4 criminal offences reported:  3 x Road Traffic Offences (1 x drink driving, 1 x uninsured vehicle/driver and 1 other) The fourth was a theft from Robin House on the parish boundary with Balloch. David Scott-Park asked about the report he had made regarding suspicious activity of the occupants of a white van entering his premises and asking questions about the access roads and who lives there.  PS were asked about what number to call in such circumstances and we were advised that 101 should be used except if emergency in which case 999 would be more appropriate.  Gordon Watson advised that the fixed penalties for litter, £80 for litter and £250 for fly tipping. PS were asked about fly tipping but that is not something they deal with as a front line. Gordon Watson advised that items dumped on private land are the responsibility of the landowner. GM noted that this was useful to know as land owner Scottish Water struggle to manage the problem of litter on their property.
8. Planning Matters  NM read out the list of planning notices for Kilmaronock with no concerns raised.  Ardenmhor – demolition of dwelling house and buildings, replacement E Cambusmoon – construction of new garage and accommodation above GM re-iterated that whenever KCC has raised no objection in the past or raise none in the future that is to be taken as read that it is conditional on all work being carried out in accordance with the current Plan document e.g. in use of correct materials and methods. KCC would expect the planning department to highlight agreed deviations from specifications. Gordon Watson indicated that this would be difficult to implement. Members advised Mr. Watson that although the notification procedure is dictated by the government there is scope for a review of effectiveness in rural areas with specific issues. (AS later showed Gordon an example from the local newspaper’s website to highlight the difficulty in finding information with the present layout/format.)
9. Kilmaronock Community Trust    There is a joint meeting of KCC, KCT and KMH members on Wed 23rd May to advance the Community Action Plan. A report will be presented at the next KCC meeting.
10. National Park & Community Partnership Issues
    1. The chair invited Gordon Watson (GW) to address the room and take some questions which he agreed to do.  GW then presented the latest version of the Park’s Partnership Plan and provided handouts of a pocket version of the plan for those interested. The Chair invited CC members to discuss any matters with GW. GM questioned the Park’s stated priorities and the conflict between Conservation and the expansion of Tourism as evidenced by the expenditure on the latter outweighing the former by 4 to 1.  GW responded that the management of visitors actually had a conservation benefit to it and that the next version of the Plan will carry that forward to switch focus to conservation and land management while still managing visitors. Jim Morrison asked how it was that different applicants with similar applications have different treatments or conditions. GW proposed that small variations could still exist in similar planning applications and that each application is therefore considered based on this. 
    2. AS followed up on the earlier discussion regarding litter, asking who is responsible for litter – placement, monitoring & emptying of bins? Are peak times and popular locations considered in advance e.g. bank holiday, events or good weather in order to allocate more resources? GW replied that NP are not responsible for litter overall through the park but do take care of specific Park managed areas e.g. campsites, some popular car parks and they do take account of peak periods. Unfortunately, visitor behaviour requires improvement e.g. coaches turning up in car parks and emptying a coach full of litter in the car park bins thus filling them instantly.  GW was asked what actions can be taken against such as McDonalds whose products are sold in containers and packaging that subsequently form part of the general problem. The NP have no intent to control vendors of litter products. GW also mentioned that ‘smart’ bins are being investigated which will alert the authorities when bins are full so they can be targeted for emptying.       Questions from the floor : Why doesn’t the Park Authority liaise more with farmers? GW entered into discussions with the floor on this which led on to other land management matters – particularly deer and fox management. GW stated that there is a recently formed East Loch Lomond Group and a West Loch Lomond Group but neither cover this area south of Loch Lomond. Members from the floor discussed problems with deer and fox numbers on the increase and the reticence of RSPB and Woodlands Trust to cull on their land. GW was asked to put pressure on these groups as local concerns are ignored. GW was asked about the village envelope and whether it was fluid or fixed. There is scope for variation each time the Local Development Plan is reviewed. GW was asked about the composition of the board and how many members reside without the Park boundary which he went on describe as best he knew. This prompted him to remind everyone that a new election is due and candidates are being requested to put themselves forward.
11. West Dunbartonshire Council       Councillor Sally Page updated the meeting on various activities relevant to Kilmaronock. The Roads Dept will be increasing maintenance due to an increase in budget allowance. Main roads such as the A811 have mostly been repaired but the B roads are to be done. Congratulations to the recent Royal newlyweds who are appointed the Earl and Countess of Dumbarton.  No further news on the trunk road application for the A811 Concerns raised from the floor regarding flooding at Duncryne Terrace and the drop in the road edging at Ashfield Farm corner – NM will follow up both with WDC Roads. 
12. Correspondence Notice has been received and circulated from the Woodland Trust regarding the maintenance work at Whinney Hill. Roxburgh Insurance were in contact regarding renewal of the walkway insurance but have been informed that it is no longer needed.
13. AOCB   KCC have been given approval by WDC to create and operate a website for operational and record purposes in accordance with best practice for CCs. Options have been considered and the CC have appointed a third party to design and maintain the website. The site will be the focal point for regulatory notices, planning notices, past meetings and constitutional documents. A domain name has been obtained (kilmaronockcc.org) and in due time the website will be rolled out to the public.  KCC has successfully and safely organised Sunday morning litter picks. It is hoped that these will continue if volunteers come forward.  Other litter picking teams have been out and we hope to complete the job and make Gartocharn a plastic litter free village. 
    It is difficult to include children as some areas are close to the roadside but it is desirable to get them involved so if fields or parks need doing it might be suitable. 
14. Next Meeting:    9th July 7:30 pm

Annual General Meeting of KCC
7:30 pm 21st May 2018 
Kilmaronock Millenium Hall 

1. Sederunt
   All 7 community council members in attendance 2 guests from Police Scotland
   Gordon Watson, CEO of Loch Lomond and Trossachs National Park Maurice Corry, MSP West of Scotland Councillor Sally Page, WDC Plus 13 members of the local community
2. Apologies
   None
3. Minutes of the AGM on 15 May 2017
   Only two community councillors present last year were present this year. The minutes were proposed as accurate by secretary Neil MacGregor and seconded by chairman Gavin McLellan.
4. Chairman's report 
   The chair described the meeting held though the year as per the constitution. 
   In November a new election was held which brought the current team together. The new council has a wide range of backgrounds including small businesses, education and farming.
   The past year has seen an increased engagement with other community entities such as the Community Partnership and Community Council Forum from which we had been under-represented before.
   Other notable achievements were highlighted such as
   1. engagement with WDC on road safety led to improved signage and road markings on A811 around Ballagan and Reid & Robertson corner,
   2. the local pathway for the school has been adopted by WDC which means they will be responsible for its maintenance and consequently KCC has no further liability and therefore no need to take out annual insurance,
   3. implementation of an official website for KCC business – now under construction,
   4. development of an improvement plan for the footway between Balloch and Gartocharn – implementation planned commencing this coming year.
      In summary, the objectives set out in the constitution have been achieved for 2017.
5. Treasurers Report
   1. The treasurer reported on the 2 accounts held by KCC. Fiscal Year (FY) runs from 1st March to 28th/29th February each year. 
   2. The main account having a closing balance of £871.28
   3. The Benevolent Fund having a closing balance of £768.21
   4. Copies of the audited and signed accounts were circulated to the attendees.
   5. Due to the change in WDC grant process, the account ran at a deficit this FY : -£13435
   6. During the FY, there was a change of office bearer and present treasurer thanked the previous treasurer, Bob Shand, for his assistance in the handover and period afterwards to keep the books in good order.
      Summary of main expenditure, 
      1. Walkway insurance : £331.23
      2. Going forward this will no longer be required due to the adoption of the walkway by WDC Rental of KMH for meetings : £88
      3. Expect similar amount for FY 2018-19
      4. The WDC grant application is being finalised and will include budget provision for contract maintenance of the new website.
      5. During the coming term, we hope to review the protocol for use of the Benevolent Fund in order to promote good causes. 
6. Secretary's report
   1. The secretary reported upon the maintenance of correspondence in and out and the re-engagement with the Community Council Forum 
7. Election of Office Bearers
   1. Following the recent election, the office bearers are : 
      Chair : Gavin McLellan
      Vice chair : Jim Morrison
      Secretary : Neil MacGregor
      Treasurer : Andrew Sinnott 
8. Appointment of representatives
   1. Andrew Sinnott is the KCC representative towards Kilmaronock Community Trust
9. Appointment of independent examiner
   1. David S. Taylor is re-appointed for this position 
10. AOCB
    1. A question from the floor regarding the following bullet from the “WDC Scheme for the Establishment of Community Councils” : Community councils should make particular efforts to encourage young people and other under-represented groups to attend/participate in community council meetings and to ensure equality of opportunity in the way the community council carries out its functions.
    2. The chair agreed that this has been difficult to implement and opened up to the floor for suggestions on how to improve youth engagement.
    3. It was noted that a start was made last year in relation to an action in the CAP but was not followed up. This will be discussed at the upcoming CAP status meeting involving KCC, KCT and KMH representatives. 
11. Date of next AGM
    1. Monday 20th May 2019 @ 7:30 pm

Kilmaronock Community Council 
           Gavin MacLellan (Chair): KilmaronockCC@gmail.com 
           The next ordinary meeting of Kilmaronock Community Council will be held in       Kilmaronock Millennium Hall, Gartocharn on Monday 9 July 2018 at 7.30pm   
        DRAFT    AGENDA 

1.  Sederunt
2. Apologies  
3. Declaration of interest
4. Minutes of regular meeting on 21 May 2018 
5. Matters Arising and Associated issues  Update on KCC  website
6. Treasurers Report   Benevolent Fund Account
7. Planning Matters
8. Kilmaronock Community Trust 
9. National Park & Community Partnership Issues  
10. West Dunbartonshire Council
11. Correspondence
12. AOCB   The battle is over. A nation's tribute 11 Nov 18
13. Next Meeting   3 Sept 2018    
              

The only rural parish in West Dunbartonshire

           Kilmaronock Community Council 
Gavin MacLellan (Chair): KilmaronockCC@gmail.com 
           The next ordinary meeting of Kilmaronock Community Council will be held in   the INCHMURRIN HOTEL, ISLAND OF INCHMURRIN on Monday 3 September 2018 at 7.30pm   
  DRAFT    AGENDA 

1. Sederunt
2. Apologies
3. Declaration of interest
4. Minutes of regular meeting on 9 July 2018 
5. Matters Arising and Associated issues
6. Treasurers Report
7. Planning  Matters 
8. Kilmaronock Community Trust
9. National Park & Community Partnership Issues 
10. West Dunbartonshire Council   WDC - Parks management
11. Correspondence 
12. AOCB
13. Next Meeting   5 Nov 2018

   
The only rural parish in West Dunbartonshire  

PLEASE NOTE THE CHANGE OF VENUE FOR THE MEETING    Ferry will leave Burnfoot, Arden at 7pm £5 for round trip. Any member of the community requiring transport to the ferry, please contact: secretary@kilmaronockcc.org 

Ordinary Meeting of KCC
Monday 5th November 2018 at 7.30pm
Kilmaronock Millennium Hall  

Sederunt

• Committee : Gavin MacLellan (GM/chair), Neil MacGregor (NM/Sec), Andrew Sinnott (AS/Trs), Jim Morrison (JM), David Scott-Park (DSP) & Sarah Guy (SG)   Councillor Sally Page (SP)
• Guest: Dave Robinson LLTNPA
• 25 members of the community  

Apologies

• Apologies received from MSP Jackie Baillie, Paula Baker (RSPB) and Mary Sweetland (KCT).

    
Declaration of interest

• The committee members confirmed that they had no interests in any matters on the agenda.  

Minutes of meeting on 3rd September 2018

• The minutes of the previous meeting were proposed as accurate by NM and seconded by GM  

Matters Arising and Associated issues

• No matters were arising from the previous minutes.

Treasurers Report

• AS reported that recent expenditure consisted of the monthly payment for web hosting of the new website and the room rental for the previous meeting on Inchmurrin – £18.
• Imminently we have a payout of stationery expenses to the secretary in lieu of the Secretary’s Honorarium – £108.71
• It was noted that we have still not been invoiced for the construction of the website. SG will follow up with the developer. This outlay has been allowed for in our budgets.
• A contribution of £100 to the Kilmaronock Millennium Hall to host the National Event commemorating 100 years since Armistice will be made from the Benevolent Fund.
• Balances (after above outlays) : Main account : £1218.36  Benevolent Fund : £618.21

Planning Matters

Building Warrants for reference only :

• Landfill at Auchencarroch with installation of containerised generator within existing compound Various internal and external alterations at Dunerica Removal of existing 2 storey extension and erection of a new 2 storey extension at Mansefield Removal of an internal wall at Westerton East Cambusmoon Farmhouse erection of a double garage for recreational use 2018/0300/HAE – 2 Blairennich Cottages – erection of porch and single storey rear extension
• Planning Applications : 2018/0249/DET – E Cambusmoon Farm – proposed erection of cattle shed, formation of new access and temporary siting of mobile home 2018/0250/DET – E Cambusmoon Farm – proposed erection of cattle shed and machinery store 2018/0251/DET – E Cambusmoon Farm – proposed erection of silage store The applicants were present to discuss their plans and answer any questions that may come up. Comment from the floor in support of the creation of a new farm for local young family. GM commended the applicant and noted that KCC were very supportive of providing opportunities to attract or keep young people to our parish and this aspect meets with the Development Plan. The applicants reported on the detailed questions from planners regarding their application and the fact that their original business plan was rejected and had to be rewritten by consultants. Comment from the floor that NP need to be consistent in dealing with applications – reference the NP response to the following applications. Question from the applicant regarding whether the CC would support the application. GM clarified the process for official CC responses. The CC agreed that as a conclusion it had no difficulty with the application but would support the planners in the adherence to the Development Plan. 
• 2018/0283/PPP – Spittal Farm – erection of agricultural worker’s dwelling 2018/0284/PPP – land east of Ben Ard – erection of agricultural worker’s dwelling 2018/0285/PPP – land north of W Cambusmoon – erection of agricultural worker’s dwelling 2018/0286/PPP – land north east of 3 Views – erection of agricultural worker’s dwelling A discussion took place to familiarise the attendees with the proposals. KCC referred to the letter dated 18 October from Sue Laverge, LLTNP, to the applicant’s agent which covers many points regarding justification to allow new homes to be built out with the LDP.  KCC support the content of the letter and await the answers in due course before expressing further opinion. On more general matters, there were comments from the floor showing concerns about land splitting leading to addition of houses. First for agricultural use then once established changed to domestic dwelling. Also comment on the proliferation of new access points being created and whether the NPA control addition of agricultural access. The worry being that adding access points leads to more favourable development of houses in the future.  AS pointed out that while this kind of suspicion is valid, the planners legally have to follow the Local Development Plan. Extreme justification would be needed to allow housing out with the LDP. Hence KCC supported the detailed questions to applicants by the NP to the above application. 
• 2018/0299/DET – High Wards Farm – further application for planning permission for the retention of 2 Portakabin for office use previously approved under 2013/0274/DET for a further 5 year period Neighbours report that previous conditions set for granting of the original permission have been ignored or breached. General discussions and concerns that once granted, no further progress will be made on plans to provide a permanent office space hence a rolling 5 year extension will be requested. The application did not refer to any proposal submitted for a permanent solution as per the terms of the original application. The justification for the location of the office was not clear in the application and the siting of any building is not compliant with the Development Plan. A more environmentally friendly solution would be to locate the office near public transport. JM pointed out that after 10 years pre-emptive planning permission could be determined to be given unless a specific clause was included to prevent this.  General concern regarding the supporting documents including the future plans for paths and car parks being included in the granting of permission for the Portacabins.  KCC understand from the LLNP that the application is for the Portakabins only. GM has suggested to LLTNPA to have unnecessary documents removed from the application for clarity. DR commented that RSPB have highlighted routes that they would like to see as Core Paths during the recent consultation, this caused concern to attendees since the site is a Nature Reserve RSPB were not in attendance to comment so reports of preparation work for paths could not be confirmed. Paula had sent in a detailed informative document for KCC. There were various comments over the future of the Nature Reserve and SSSI. GM advised that the guardian on behalf of RAMSAR and the other Nature Conservation bodies is SNH and explained his limited understanding of their role. The community supported a closer dialogue with SNH and GM suggested inviting SNH to a Special Meeting to elaborate on their role - this was supported as a way forward. Regarding this specific application, the original conditions applied to the granting of permission ought to be reviewed e.g. sewage treatment, screening etc. For example higher standards for effluent treatment now in place should be applied to the applicant under this Application. NM suggested that there should be an insistence for the application of a permanent solution before the next 5 yrs is up.
• 2018/0303/DET – Former Public Toilets – Change of use of public amenity space to garden ground Designated as Open Space in the LDP. Loss of public amenity to private amenity was discussed. General consensus was against the loss of public amenity which despite the argument presented in the application seems to be of high utility for safe access to Church Rd for children both walking and in pushchairs as well as disabled or less abled persons. Safe paths are a vital part of the community path network.  A telephone box in this area with notably bad cell phone reception is a valuable asset in case of emergency. It was not confirmed if the land had been sold already but I is generally understood  that WDC still own it. A community buy out was raised but thought unnecessary as it is already a public asset. KCC will advise the planners of the views from the community.  
  2018/0307/DET – Loch Lomond Garden Centre – Application to discharge a planning obligation related to Planning Permission LT/2002/0101/NKN/W No comment. CC supportive of local businesses of this scale.
  Concern raised from the floor on the safety risks implicated by potential for new access being created on A811 if the business does get split but we believe we can deal with that if it comes up via the planning process. 
  Search for planning applications here : https://eplanning.lochlomond-trossachs.org/OnlinePlanning 

Kilmaronock Community Trust

KCT met shortly after the last KCC meeting with another meeting due in 2 weeks’ time. A joint meeting with KCC and KMHA to review the CAP status is due for Tuesday 13th November.

• Football field – bad weather has affected the ground works so they are not expected to be completed until spring next year. The site has been levelled and the drainage routes dug.
• Broadband upgrade – Elaine Ellen has collated the survey responses and forwarded them to BT Openreach. They will analyse the data and advise a cost for implementation.
• Local path audit possibly leading to an information leaflet for walkers
• AS & SP met with WDC and Sustrans regarding signage at crossing on CN7 and A811 – no response as yet.
• Pavement – AS met with WDC roads department and presented the case. There was some confusion with the plans for recreational pathways which was clarified. WDC reiterated that there are no funds allocated to pavements only road surfaces themselves. They were encouraged to find funds at the soonest opportunity and advised that according to the NP this pavement was listed as a Core Path.
• Public toilet facility – no further progress.

National Park & Community Partnership Issues

• David Robinson (Recreation and Access Adviser to NP) was present to inform us of the imminent Core Path consultation. Core Path (CP) status has added value over an ordinary path. The added value of a CP is that NP have powers to maintain or repair it. However, they do not have a duty to do so! 
  The previous plan was issued in 2010 and has to be reviewed every 10 years. The process to publish a new plan in 2020 has commenced with a pre-consultation late Spring/early Summer leading to the upcoming actual consultation.
• The consultation will predominantly be online but 3 stations will have hard copies – NP HQ at Balloch, Three Villages Hall, Arrochar and somewhere in Callander. The consultation is delayed but due to start on 19th November.
• Consultees can suggest new path routes or deviations to existing routes. New routes proposed so far, WDC proposed Old School Road in order to link the John Muir Way to the village. RSPB have proposed a couple within their land.
• CP will be signposted and safe access – which is at odds for the likes of Old School Road in its present state where there is no path.
• DR informed us that there are 10 criteria that have to be satisfied before a CP designation can be given.
• Ideally discussions with the landowners would take place before the suggestion is sent to NP,  CP’s can be designated without landowner permission but that would be extreme situation following legal processes. 
• There is a time constraint on the designation of a new path once proposed. It has to be done within a year. Since it all requires external funding and engagement of external contractors, it is best to arrange funding in advance.
• Several expressions from the floor regarding the pavement between Balloch and Gartocharn which has steadily fallen into disrepair over many years despite being a Core Path since 2008. NP designate it a CP but WDC ignore any responsibility to repair or maintain it.
• GM pointed out that the 2008 Core Path plan had not materialised and there seemed little or no communication between KCC and LLNP on this during 10 years.– If a clearly defined pathway with public need can fall into this state despite being a CP then what is the advantage or purpose of making any path a Core Path?
• Question from the floor on how much the consultation was going to cost and whether instead that money could be spent on repairing existing paths.
• Regarding consultations and further information, DR agreed to have his contact details posted in these minutes
• Dave Robinson Recreation and Access Adviser Loch Lomond & The Trossachs National Park Direct: 01389 722147 www.lochlomond-trossachs.org www.twitter.com/lomondtrossachs www.facebook.com/lomondtrossachs  

West Dunbartonshire Council

• Community Transport – Information regarding this service will be posted on the KMH noticeboard rather than read out and minuted.
• Fly tipping – There has been a recent increase in instances of fly tipping –   
  GM questioned whether WDC robustly monitor Waste Disposal Licences held by businesses since this weakness is encouraging the illegal activity. SP will bring this up in her next meeting with WDC Environmental Licencing Dept, Rodney Thornton and another. 
• Scottish Police had sent in a report outlining a stop and search campaign. GM suggested that WDC and SP work together to be more effective.
• NB - Landowners carry the burden since they have to pay for removal of material fly tipped on their land and costs can be significant.
• Community Budgeting – Phase 4 - Information regarding this round of grants was read out and will be posted on the KMH noticeboard. It was noted that the method of voting will be fairer this time.  

Correspondence

• MSP Jackie Baillie submitted a detailed mail concerning items including weaknesses of the train service to and from Glasgow with stations being missed with increasing frequency, updates on VoL Health Board issues and the abolition of the national single person household water discount.
• Paula Baker from RSPB had submitted a report on the status of RSPB plans which will be posted on the KCC website for all to read.

Kilmaronock Community Council 
The only rural parish in West Dunbartonshire 

AOCB 

• Battle's Over - A Nation's Tribute - 11 November 2018 – SG presented the finalised programme. 
  As well as the absence Police Scotland tonight, no crime statistics had been received
• A further traffic monitoring event took place, however it coincided with the A811 roadworks so traffic management was in effect. One driver was stopped for a warning only.
• NM attended the Croftamie CC meeting and was thanked for keeping them informed of the A811 roadworks as WDC had not. Also shared the interesting plans for a visitor experience at Finnich Glen (of Outlander fame) 
  Comment from the floor asking KCC to thank WDC roads dept for the excellent work done on repairing potholes earlier and now the resurfacing and when will Duncryne Road be attended to. GM already done so.
• M - Duncryne Rd work due “soon”. 
• SP informed the floor that WDC were in receipt of dash cam footage of all our roads. 
• Another comment from the floor informing us that the pavement between Ardoch Bridge and Ross Loan was covered in grit thrown up from the road and the bus stop has been moved.
• Church Rd was also mentioned as bad at turning points.
• New road surface is notably quieter.
• Janet Beveridge informed us that the Old Kirk Trust had secured funds to commence a feasibility study on future uses of the Old Kirk.

Next Meeting

• Next ordinary meeting will be on Monday 7th January 2019 in Kilmaronock Millennium Hall. A special meeting with SNH is to be convened with the time and date to be arranged and published when known.
• Meeting closed at 21:40